Interview With Nader Abazari

The next few months we’ll be highlighting authors who have published in Culture, Medicine, and Psychiatry.

Nader Abazari holds a PhD in clinical psychology. Currently, as a post-doctoral researcher, he explores ways to enhance existential well-being through interdisciplinary approaches. He is particularly interested in how cultural context contributes to the fundamental human need to quest for meaning in life.

Existential well-being research group, University of Eastern Finland

What is your article “Meaning in Life: Exploring the Potential of Mythological Narratives in Contemporary Life” about?

Everyone, at some point, faces the question: What makes life worth living? Psychologists address this through the concept of “meaning in life.” As meaning is not automatically given, we must actively create it. While this is a deeply personal process, it is also shaped by the cultural context in which we live. In addition, anthropologists view myths as the essence of the cultures from which they emerge. This led us to ask: Do myths contain clues for meaning-making that remain useful today? To explore this, we compared three psychological theories with examples from world myths. Our analysis shows that mythological narratives, aligned with contemporary theories, provide valuable insights into the meaning-making process: encountering a profoundly impactful event, dissatisfaction with the current state, meaning-making attempts, and providing a vision of desired state. Thus, we conclude that myths remain relevant to enduring human concerns, guiding reflection on meaning in contemporary life.

Tell us a little bit about yourself and your research interests.

Previously, I worked as a psychologist focusing on improving the well-being of individuals with chronic conditions. As a postdoctoral researcher, I found the perfect opportunity to pursue my interest in a particular dimension of well-being, existential well-being. Within this field, I am especially fascinated by sources of meaning, the avenues people draw upon to see their lives as meaningful. These sources range widely, from spirituality, love, and unison with nature to religion, ritual, achievement, freedom and more. What intrigues me most is how people seem to choose their sources of meaning from a kind of “menu” offered by their cultural context. For instance, in Finland, with its striking and abundant natural landscapes, people’s lives are deeply intertwined with nature, and unison with nature often becomes a particularly valued source of meaning. In other countries, however, we may find that sources such as religiosity and spirituality are more prominent. Currently, under the supervision of Associate Professor Suvi-Maria Saarelainen, I am exploring how culture shapes sources of meaning, with myths, as cultural showcases, forming a central part of our research.

What drew you to this project?

In answering this question, I am reminded of Isaac Newton’s famous words: “If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” We believe this perspective extends far beyond the academic world; it also applies to everyday life. In the context of meaning in life, these “giants” are the tangible and intangible cultural heritage passed down through generations. Our project was inspired by the idea that just as personal human history can provide insights into how to find meaning in life, collective human history also has the potential to show how our ancestors found meaning in their lives. We sought to take an initial step in showing that the meaning-making practices of the past may still resonate and continue to shape the ways people seek meaning today.

What are you reading, listening to, and/or watching right now? (Doesn’t have to be anthropological!)

Lately, I have been drawn to books that build bridges between human psychological processes, culture, and history. Two that stand out for me are The Cultural Animal by Roy F. Baumeister and The Cry for Myth by Rollo May. I also enjoy podcasts on world history and the biographies of influential figures from diverse fields. For me, history offers a process-oriented, holistic perspective for understanding human issues, and helps me avoid the trap of tunnel vision.

If there was one takeaway or action point you hope people will get from your work, what would it be?

I would say that myths are not just stories of the past, they are lived and culturally validated roadmaps for a meaningful life. They remind us that the visions for a better life that once guided our ancestors can still, at least at times, inspire and shape our own search for meaning today.

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Interview with Sandrine Vollebregt

The next few months we’ll be highlighting authors who have published in Culture, Medicine, and Psychiatry.

Sandrine Vollebregt, MD, is affiliated with Doctors of the World in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Sandrine is a 30-year old medical doctor from the Netherlands, based in Amsterdam. She has worked in a primary health clinic for refugees on the Greek island Samos, and in acute psychiatry and the emergency department in the Netherlands. In her free time, she likes to listen to podcasts, cycle and write. 

What is your article Help-Seeking Undocumented Migrants in the Netherlands: Mental Health, Adverse Life Events, and Living Conditionsabout?

In this article we looked at how many undocumented migrants visiting a low-threshold free non-governmental health service had mental health problems. Undocumented migrants are a diverse group comprised of amongst others rejected asylum seekers or labor migrants without a visa. They do not exist officially, cannot work legally, often have poor and uncertain housing conditions, and have in practice a restricted access to health care due to logistical and cultural barriers.

Tell us a little bit about yourself and your research interests.

I am 30 years old and I live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in a living community. I am a medical doctor and I have a specific interest in psychiatry. Currently, I am doing a course on global health and tropical medicine at the Royal Tropical Institute. I am very interested in migrant and refugee health, as I believe dealing with migration in a way that respects human rights is one of the great issues of our time. I hope that studying the health of migrants, and looking at how this connects to migration policies, can contribute to this discussion in a positive way by providing evidence based arguments.

What drew you to this project?

I was still a medical student when I saw a call for a student to analyze data on mental health of undocumented migrants in the Netherlands. At the time I just came back from volunteering for the first time in a refugee camp on the island Lesbos in Greece, and I was shocked by the conditions that refugees live in at the borders of Europe. I wanted to learn more about the situation of refugees and undocumented migrants in the Netherlands, my own country. When I started working on this study, I also became a volunteer doctor in a mobile clinic for undocumented migrants that visits certain neighborhoods, squats and shelters. By doing this, I gained deeper connection to and understanding of the people I was studying.

What was one of the most interesting findings?

Mental health problems are very common amongst the group of undocumented migrants we studied. In our study, 81% of the people scored above a threshold for common mental disorders. Common mental disorders are anxiety disorder, depression and psychosomatic disorders. We saw that having traumatic experiences was strongly linked to mental health issues and also to psychotic phenomena, like hearing voices. The traumatic experiences that were documented in the medical files were often severe, like torture and rape.

What are you reading, listening to, and/or watching right now?

I am currently reading a Dutch book of Lieke Marsman which would in English be called ‘The opposite of a human being’, a poetic novel on climate change. I just started the podcast ‘Burn It Down’, an American podcast about a discriminatory and masculine culture at the Amsterdam Fire Department.

If there was one takeaway or action point you hope people will get from your work, what would it be?

Mental health problems are common in undocumented migrants. Health care professionals should be aware of this, explore problems actively and refer to psychological help when necessary. But on a deeper level, I hope that we start asking each other critical questions about how our policies shape the health of undocumented migrants.

Thank you for your time!


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