Interview with Omnia El Shakry

The next few months we’ll be highlighting authors who have published in Culture, Medicine, and Psychiatry.

Omnia El Shakry is a professor of history at the University of California, Davis. Her research centers on the history of the human and religious sciences in modern Egypt.

What is your article “The Work of Illness in the Aftermath of a ‘Surpassing Disaster’: Medical Humanities in the Middle East and North Africa” about?

“The article serves as a commentary on new work in the medical humanities in the Middle East, while posing a series of questions. What happens when we question the role of the expert and the idea of the detached rationality of expertise in medicine and psychiatry? How should we account for the cultural specificity of illness and of healing practices in the Middle East, particularly in institutional contexts in which the mental hospital aspired to function as a ‘healing collective’? Given that the Middle East has been at the center of a series of catastrophic events, how can we understand the persistent inability of modern medicine to understand physical anguish, but also spiritual pain, within this context? Middle East studies is, I think, especially well situated to consider these questions, precisely because the region is an arena in which so many of the experiments of group life—both in its traumatism and its healing—model distinct ways of imagining non-materialist understandings of illness, suffering, and healing.”

Tell us a little bit about yourself and your research interests.

“I am an intellectual historian interested in epistemology and ethics within the human and religious sciences. I am currently working on two projects– one is on the work of Sami-Ali, the Arabic translator of Sigmund Freud’s Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, author of a large body of original psychoanalytic writings, and translator of the poetry of Sufi masters. The second is on the vibrant movement of intellectual exchange between Muslim and Catholic scholars and religious practitioners in twentieth century Egypt.”

What drew you to this project?

“I was a participant in the conference “Power in Medicine: Interrogating the Place of Medical Knowledge in the Modern Middle East,” organized by Edna Bonhomme, Lamia Moghnieh, and Shehab Ismail in Berlin in April of 2019. The piece is a commentary on the specific articles that came out of that conference and are published in CMP and on the wider issues raised by the workshop. But it is more than that, it is also partly and indirectly a reflection on my own personal experience with illness, my frustration with biomedicine, and my dear friend and colleague Stefania Pandolfo’s inspiration and encouragement to see the ‘wound light.’”

What was one of the most interesting findings?

“I was especially struck by how intellectually generative it was to juxtapose Georges Canguilhem’s observation in the Normal and the Pathological that to be a living organism is to accept “the eventuality of catastrophic reactions,” alongside Jalal Toufic’s theorization of the “withdrawal of tradition past a surpassing disaster.””

What are you reading, listening to, and/or watching right now?

“I am currently reading David Marriott’s brilliant Lacan Noir: Lacan and Afro-pessimism. I am (almost) always listening to The Mountain Goats and I watch a ton of TV, which I affectionately refer to as ‘cheap therapy,’ and have been enjoying The Peripheral and the current season of Bob’s Burgers.”

If there was one takeaway or action point you hope people will get from your work, what would it be?

“That we should work toward imagining the non-West as a site for the production and critique of theoretical knowledge (or ‘theory’) within the human sciences, rather than merely a site for its consumption and circulation.”

Thank you for your time!


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Interview with Dr. Edna Bonhomme

The next few months we’ll be highlighting authors who have published in Culture, Medicine, and Psychiatry.

Edna Bonhomme is a historian of science and writer based in Berlin, Germany. Edna’s research critically engages with how people navigate the unsavory and unwieldy states of health—primarily how people contend with contagious outbreaks, medical experiments, reproductive assistance, and illness narratives. Her work has appeared in Al Jazeera, The Atlantic, The Guardian, the London Review of Books and elsewhere. Edna’s forthcoming book examines contagion in confined spaces.

What is your article “Medicine and Politics in the Middle East and North Africa: Transdisciplinary Approaches in Medical Humanities” about?

“I co-edited a special issue that elucidated the intellectual and transdisciplinary approaches to medicine and psychiatry in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA). The journal issue is a compilation of various papers from an interdisciplinary workshop we co-organized in Berlin while I was a Postdoctoral Fellow at the Max Planck Institute for History of Science. The two-day workshop was held in Berlin in April 2019 and generated live interventions and debates about medicine’s connection to colonialism, humanitarianism,  and nationalism in the MENA region. This co-written introduction provides a theoretical framework for articulating the region’s specificities and some universal trends. We argue that the authors engage in broader discussions that not only frame disease, health, and healing in the Middle East and North Africa while also exploring how medical practices in the region dovetail with global trends.”

Tell us a little bit about yourself and your research interests.

“I am a historian of science, culture writer, and editor who explores how people navigate the unsavory and unwieldy states of health—especially subjects that discuss contagious outbreaks, medical experiments, reproductive assistance, or illness narratives. I write cultural criticism, features, book reviews, and opinion pieces. I am especially interested in human driven narratives and to think actively about those who have been excluded from history, which often means thinking actively about a wide range of sources and archives.”

What drew you to this project? 

“In 2017, I graduated with a PhD in History of Science from Princeton University and my dissertation, “Plagued Bodies and Spaces’ ‘ examined the origins and progression of epidemics in North Africa during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. As a historian, my research examines contagion, epidemics, and toxicity by asking: what makes people sick? As a writer, I narrate how people perceive modern plagues and how they try to escape from them through critical storytelling. My writing about illness and health draws on my educational training in biology (BA), public health (MPH), and in history of science (PhD), and I invite readers to sit with the messiness of contagion, the discomforts of maladies, and the power of embodied knowledge, while also finding people’s desire to heal.”

What was one of the most interesting findings?

“Rather than look solely at illness as a given or have a universal definition of mental illness, we tried to explore how categories of disease have shifted within the Middle East and North Africa. At least at the level of merchants, goods, and materials potentially being the sites of vectors, but also being a site of control at the level of trade. These ideas and rules have evolved; they have taken on new meanings. This is primarily in the context of the age that we live in and of the rise of the nation-state, specifically, border regimes that made it even more challenging to travel between empires that were far more possible 400 years ago. How we define a disease and how we navigate trauma is also something the special issue explored.”

What are you reading, listening to, and/or watching right now? (Doesn’t have to be anthropological!)

 I am drawn to creative fiction, to the power of imagination and the ways that people conjure new worlds. As such, I have been reading novels and poetry, including the works of Namwali Serpell, Sheila Heti, Tsitsi Dangarembga, Caleb Azumah Nelson, Keorapetse Kgositsile, Deborah Levy, Ada Limón, Claudia Rankine and more. These writers are teaching me to get lost in the page and to escape the world as we know it.

If there was one takeaway or action point you hope people will get from your work, what would it be? 

Most of the labor for this project was done after the workshop and during the pandemic. My collaborator and I went through a pandemic, coordinated from different time zones, and underwent major life changes. We were mourning our past lives while also holding dear to our labor and our commitment to producing scholarship about medicine, disease, and psychiatry. One thing that made this project successful is our tenacity and commitment to collective projects. As such, I highly recommend that people take the time and care to work with other researchers who not only articulate their intellectual interests but who also have a mutual work ethic.

Thank you for your time!


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